As most of us are aware, there are occasions when the British
over-enthusiastically apply European Union laws, sometimes totally destroying
the good intentions and good sense.
As long ago as 1982, the then EEC issued Directive 83/182, allowing vehicles registered in one European country to be driven for up to six months in a year, CONTINUOUS OR OTHERWISE, in another European country before Road Tax became due. This was intended to regularise and ease the movement of vehicles.
Three years ago, perhaps in response to the number of Eastern European cars in Britain, the DVLA issued a press release on the subject which, probably deliberately, omitted the words "continuous or otherwise," so completely changing the intention of the Directive.
At the start of 2009, a pilot scheme called "Operation Andover" commenced in Northamptonshire, with any foreign vehicle seen just twice, more than six months apart, being impounded without warning or the opportunity to offer evidence.
My own car was "impounded" in March after two short visits totalling just 67 days, having been seen in June 2008 and March 2009.
It apparently did not occur to the Northamptonshire Police that the reason it had not been seen for none months was because it had returned to the Continent. Or perhaps they did not want to consider this possibility.
Because I caused a serious fuss, I managed to regain possession of my vehicle without paying the 420 pounds the Police demanded but, when I complained, I was met with a barrier of evasion and misinformation, both from the Police and the DVLA.
A suggestion from the Leicestershire Liberal Democrats, who took up my case, that warning notices should be issued before impounding was immediately dismissed.
Even worse, the Association of Chief Police Officers confirmed to the Automobile Association that any foreign car seen twice, more than six months apart, WOULD be impounded without warning.
The implications for ex-patriates and, more especially, for foreign tourists with limited English is horrendous, especially as, with a profit of 400 pounds to be made on each impounding, this scheme will certainly soon be taken up nationwide.
Indeed, it is possible that someone who visits the U.K. just once a year, for the same couple of weeks, say in August, could become a victim of this ill-thought-out scheme. Their vehicle could be filmed on August 14th of the first year, then on August 2nd of the next year - twice in one year, more than six months apart - and their car could be impounded.
The fact that there is evidence that new high-value cars are being targetted rather than older unroadworthy vehicles gives the lie to any claims that this is a "safety" campaign. It is clearly just a money-making operation aimed at innocent motorists.
So may I urge all ex-patriates or French tourists, who visit the U.K. more than once in a year, to keep all their old ferry tickets and other evidence with them and to demand that these are examined by any police officer who attempts to take their vehicle.
Adrian Fox
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matt wayne
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steve hedgeland
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Klaus Edelmann
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bozzy
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Peter West
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Njay
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Julian R
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As long ago as 1982, the then EEC issued Directive 83/182, allowing vehicles registered in one European country to be driven for up to six months in a year, CONTINUOUS OR OTHERWISE, in another European country before Road Tax became due. This was intended to regularise and ease the movement of vehicles.
Three years ago, perhaps in response to the number of Eastern European cars in Britain, the DVLA issued a press release on the subject which, probably deliberately, omitted the words "continuous or otherwise," so completely changing the intention of the Directive.
At the start of 2009, a pilot scheme called "Operation Andover" commenced in Northamptonshire, with any foreign vehicle seen just twice, more than six months apart, being impounded without warning or the opportunity to offer evidence.
My own car was "impounded" in March after two short visits totalling just 67 days, having been seen in June 2008 and March 2009.
It apparently did not occur to the Northamptonshire Police that the reason it had not been seen for none months was because it had returned to the Continent. Or perhaps they did not want to consider this possibility.
Because I caused a serious fuss, I managed to regain possession of my vehicle without paying the 420 pounds the Police demanded but, when I complained, I was met with a barrier of evasion and misinformation, both from the Police and the DVLA.
A suggestion from the Leicestershire Liberal Democrats, who took up my case, that warning notices should be issued before impounding was immediately dismissed.
Even worse, the Association of Chief Police Officers confirmed to the Automobile Association that any foreign car seen twice, more than six months apart, WOULD be impounded without warning.
The implications for ex-patriates and, more especially, for foreign tourists with limited English is horrendous, especially as, with a profit of 400 pounds to be made on each impounding, this scheme will certainly soon be taken up nationwide.
Indeed, it is possible that someone who visits the U.K. just once a year, for the same couple of weeks, say in August, could become a victim of this ill-thought-out scheme. Their vehicle could be filmed on August 14th of the first year, then on August 2nd of the next year - twice in one year, more than six months apart - and their car could be impounded.
The fact that there is evidence that new high-value cars are being targetted rather than older unroadworthy vehicles gives the lie to any claims that this is a "safety" campaign. It is clearly just a money-making operation aimed at innocent motorists.
So may I urge all ex-patriates or French tourists, who visit the U.K. more than once in a year, to keep all their old ferry tickets and other evidence with them and to demand that these are examined by any police officer who attempts to take their vehicle.
Comments (9)

Adrian Fox
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... The situation in the UK seems to be getting worse and worse. Every time we go back now we are quizzed about the purpose for our visit, hardly something we need tell the customs officials when returning to the country of our birth and nationality. Far from having to keep ferry tickets to 'prove' our identity and length of stay, the onus should be on the police authorities to prove their case that a vehicle has been kept in the UK for more than 6 months. With this kind of bureaucracy, it's easy to forget that these people are employed BY US, at our expense, and for our benefit. We are their masters, not their servants. I hope everyone will stand up against this kind of bureaucratic bullying by referring every incident to their MP and to various civil liberties groups. |
matt wayne
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... The UK is run by weasels.... Mr Toad has no chance at all any more! Yet another reason not to go back! |
steve hedgeland
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... I heard that they impounded a French eurostar at St.Pancras because they were jealous of the fact that it was clean, the buffet was better and the staff on board polite.................. |
Klaus Edelmann
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... The trouble is there are far too many people who abuse this system and get away with driving untaxed and uninsured foreign cars on UK roads. I do feel for those that are innocent and who are caught out as described above, but the Police are not tyrants and will listen to your case, especially if you can prove residency in another country or recent travel. How would you suggest tackling those drivers that do take unlawful advantage of the EU Law if not by such means? |
bozzy
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... So: the UK has decided that a vehicle identified twice in the same year, regardless of OWNER (could have been sold meantime to someone else who then decides to visit, or might be a commercial vehicle used for frequent UK trips) is committing an offence simply by being seen on UK roads? This makes no sense at all: I do not think we have the whole story here. Please elaborate further. |
Peter West
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... Bozzy, you DO have the whole story here - I have been communicating with the police, DVLA, my son's MP and two Euro MPs for four months. However, it does not apply to commercial vehicles. I agree, it does not make sense to us, but it seems to make sense to the DVLA and the police. Klaus Edelmann : the police refused to look at my proof of entry, as the constable's interpretation of the law was that once you entered the UK, your six months started and did not stop when you left the country. So, after six months, even if you had been home for five months, he would take your car. The DVLA have confirmed to me that the interpretation is wrong. I do not know if they have told the police. I'm sorry, but you should not credit the UK police with a lot of common sense. |
Njay
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... Peter states "I have been communicating with the police, DVLA, my son's MP and two Euro MPs for four months" Sorry, but who are the Police? There are 43 Police Forces in England and Wales and another 8 in Scotland and what authority have the people you have been communicating with to answer for all Police Forces? Sorry Peter but please remember those who live in Glass Houses etc. etc., when you make statements about (in your words) "you should not credit the UK police with a lot of common sense" There seems to be a lack of common sense in the statement "I have been communicating with the Police" |
Julian R
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... So what happens in Northern Ireland, where thousands of cars regularly cross the border from the Republic? Are they going to get their cars impounded too? And Gordon Brown is now trying to get the EU to agree to his illegal e-borders scheme, requiring 24 hours notice before travel in and out of the UK. |
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